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Post by deron on Dec 24, 2018 22:03:36 GMT
I think you should watch the movie and judge for yourself. Movies that try different things often get judged more harshly than movies that play it safe. No one has tried to make this type of detective noir with a female protagonist. For all we know, the exact same movie with a man could be a treated with more reverence. Take a solace in the fact that major filmmakers like Chris Nolan and Edgar Wright are championing the film. And how many of Nicole's movies that got divisive (or even poor) reviews have ended up standing the test of time? Margot At The Wedding holds up, Birth is considered a masterpiece these days....I got high hopes for Destroyer, and the reviews are not terrible (like they were for Birth). I will, thank You. I am not doubting in anything what You just You wrote - in Kusama intentions, Nolan's or Wright's opinions, not doubting Nicole. I was commenting consensus which is repeated in many reviews: Performance better than movie itself. Also, it's really dissaponting because Kusama was the best choice for Best Director nominee. Female protagonist, ambitious project with genre-defying aspirations, good/redeeming reputation (similar to Nicole) in Metoo era. I guess the movie is not good enough and I thought that AW people were ignoring it:) I feel ya! I think we need to be careful about getting too greedy though. While some (mostly male) critics are finding reasons to be dismissive of the film, plenty of critics like it or even think it's great (The NY Times rave was a big one). The movie is in the high 70's on Rotten Tomatoes, and will probably stay around there ( and would have been even higher if they had not ignored around 20 fresh reviews from festival screenings). We got to remember the days of Grace Of Monaco and 11% Rotten Tomatoes scores were not that long ago. Yes, Destroyer might not get Oscar nominations (like Vice, which has wea key reviews), but we should still consider it a win.
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Post by triflo on Dec 24, 2018 22:28:42 GMT
I will, thank You. I am not doubting in anything what You just You wrote - in Kusama intentions, Nolan's or Wright's opinions, not doubting Nicole. I was commenting consensus which is repeated in many reviews: Performance better than movie itself. Also, it's really dissaponting because Kusama was the best choice for Best Director nominee. Female protagonist, ambitious project with genre-defying aspirations, good/redeeming reputation (similar to Nicole) in Metoo era. I guess the movie is not good enough and I thought that AW people were ignoring it:) I feel ya! I think we need to be careful about getting too greedy though. While some (mostly male) critics are finding reasons to be dismissive of the film, plenty of critics like it or even think it's great (The NY Times rave was a big one). The movie is in the high 70's on Rotten Tomatoes, and will probably stay around there ( and would have been even higher if they had not ignored around 20 fresh reviews from festival screenings). We got to remember the days of Grace Of Monaco and 11% Rotten Tomatoes scores were not that long ago. Yes, Destroyer might not get Oscar nominations (like Vice, which has wea key reviews), but we should still consider it a win. I don't think I'm greedy. Nicole is getting praised but not getting rewarded for that. Also, it's not the case with male critics. Many female critics also wrote negative reviews. Just check RT. Most of them like it but it can change because with one NYT rave, three negative are coming. Sadly.
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Post by deron on Dec 24, 2018 22:37:26 GMT
I guess. But I think we've all known for awhile that this movie would get many divisive, but generally positive reviews and that Nicole was the movie's only realistic awards season chance.
Which is why I'm neither surprised or particularly bothered. It's holding to form. Several festival reviews were like "Nicole's great, but we don't love the movie". And others love or admire the film. For me, there are far worse outcomes to be had.
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Post by triflo on Dec 24, 2018 22:44:04 GMT
I guess. But I think we've all known for awhile that this movie would get many divisive, but generally positive reviews and that Nicole was the movie's only realistic awards season chance. Which is why I'm neither surprised or particularly bothered. It's holding to form. Several festival reviews were like "Nicole's great, but we don't love the movie". And others love or admire the film. For me, there are far worse outcomes to be had. Right. That's You:) For me it's a dissapointment. Also, after LFF reception was more positive than divisive in my opinion. Many positive reviews and 85% on RT.
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Post by deron on Dec 24, 2018 22:51:40 GMT
I guess. But I think we've all known for awhile that this movie would get many divisive, but generally positive reviews and that Nicole was the movie's only realistic awards season chance. Which is why I'm neither surprised or particularly bothered. It's holding to form. Several festival reviews were like "Nicole's great, but we don't love the movie". And others love or admire the film. For me, there are far worse outcomes to be had. Right. That's You:) For me it's a dissapointment. Also, after LFF reception was more positive than divisive in my opinion. Many positive reviews and 85% on RT. Well, the true RT score should still be in the 80's at least considering the amount of reviews that were not added after the festivals. But for some reason, someone (s) at RT wanted to keep the score lower. Nothing we can do about that.
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Post by triflo on Dec 24, 2018 23:08:54 GMT
Nice interview. thefilmstage.com/features/karyn-kusama-on-capturing-a-broken-world-in-destroyer-and-nicole-kidmans-revelatory-performance/One of the first things that impressed me was when I noticed Erin’s walk. It’s steady but slow, slightly hunched, as if she’s carrying the entire weight of the world. In an interview you did you mentioned that making the film you were thinking a lot about all the shit going on in the world and how the news is so horrible. Reading the interview made me realize the reason why I was struck by Erin’s walk was because that’s how I feel I walk every time I think about the world as well. [Laughs] Totally! I empathize. I’m right there with you. I also had said this to her offhandedly, and that’s the brilliance of Nicole: she takes in all these details, files them away and only later do I understand how much she was absorbing of our conversations and truly listening, which is such a skill. Anyway, I told her that sometimes when I walk people ask me why I was limping. And I’d say, “Am I limping?” It doesn’t happen often, but people sometimes do ask me if I broke my ankle or something. I’m sort of in a broken state and I don’t even know it. I wanted her to understand I see myself as someone so hobbled and imperfect, and I was really struck by that walk feeling half like a wounded animal, and half sort of like an iconic cowboy. This is what the war of one’s own life can look like after a while, it shows up in their face and throughout their body. It vibrates through every part of their physical being and Nicole really found that instantly. Which is why it bothers me that so many people only talk about Nicole’s makeup and the look. I know. One of the things I found really beautiful about what you did was that, like Kubrick and Glazer, you do so much with her eyes. You look right into Erin’s soul. I’m really happy that’s how you experienced the act of looking at and communing with the character. I feel like the goal of the film was to get closer to this woman and to evoke the feeling of intimacy with the character, and that by the end of the film the mystery of her life isn’t entirely figured out or unraveled, but that we get a little closer to answering the question of what happened to her. How she’s really hunting herself and the audience is investigating her. I hope it leads to a bigger question of what precipitates our greatest downfalls and our best moments. How do we get there?
Would be great if she would choose Nicole for another project. Could be something like Cronenberg's Maps to the Stars: You’ve mentioned wanting to do an L.A. trilogy, so what would follow The Invitation and Destroyer? If I were to do a third part it would be about Hollywood, and about the business of manufacturing our fantasy life. I feel so much of what Los Angeles offers, in good and bad ways, is the promise of reinvention. There’s a monstrosity to that, and we’re also at the center of movies that have given the world so much access to deeper expressions of our unconscious, so how do we deal with the power of these sometimes adversarial elements? How do we deal with this concept of manufacturing dreams? What do we do with the reality of sometimes having artists bring these dreams to life on the screen? For me Destroyer was about the act of witnessing a slow process towards the act of looking inward, and it comes at a very high price. Part of The Invitation was focused on narcissism and self-empowerment obscuring a larger question that needs to be investigated which is the denial of feeling. That’s a big part of what animates Destroyer too, how we crumble when we deny ourselves our emotional life.
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Post by misstoker on Dec 25, 2018 12:27:23 GMT
Anyone here will watch the movie today?
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Dec 25, 2018 16:07:26 GMT
Anyone here will watch the movie today? It's only in 3 theaters in NY and LA. it's very limited.
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Post by WizLemon on Dec 25, 2018 16:19:12 GMT
Anyone here will watch the movie today? No idea when it expands to Boston. Fingers crossed.
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Post by raneto on Dec 25, 2018 20:05:15 GMT
In Brazil opens only in the end of january, alongside with Boy Erased, I will watch both at the same week and maybe Aquaman one last time lol, 3 Kidman films in one day <3
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Post by paperboy88 on Dec 26, 2018 13:39:31 GMT
7 minutes interview with Nicole and Karyn. youtu.be/-uEYwN-iJV0It's a bit sad when she said she rarely do leading roles... I hope she gets to do more leading roles!
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Dec 26, 2018 16:46:07 GMT
rarely, I think she's done some lead roles in the last five years, maybe she meant she's rarely offered leading roles in films.
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Post by WizLemon on Dec 26, 2018 16:51:53 GMT
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Dec 26, 2018 18:13:45 GMT
that is not bad since its just a one day screen average, also Christmas day had a number of other releases so lots of competition.
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Post by Number One Fan on Dec 26, 2018 18:29:28 GMT
This is very bad for her career.
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