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Post by Mr Dedlock on Sept 8, 2018 0:02:31 GMT
Some twitter reactions from a TIFF destroyer screening edit overall it seems like the reactions are better than Telluride with a 95% majority praising Kidman. link
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Post by WizLemon on Sept 8, 2018 3:38:54 GMT
Thanks so much for compiling, Mr Dedlock!
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Post by Derrick on Sept 8, 2018 6:34:23 GMT
Is anyone has the same thought with me?
I hate the people on award forum. They just simply hate Nicole Kidman and so underestimate Nicole Kidman for the oscar race.
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Post by deron on Sept 8, 2018 8:16:26 GMT
Is anyone has the same thought with me? I hate the people on award forum. They just simply hate Nicole Kidman and so underestimate Nicole Kidman for the oscar race. I don't think it's about "hate" on that forum. But so many people there support other actresses in the race, that they are most likely working overtime to play down Kidman as a contender ( for a nomination, never mind a win) because she's a major threat. Especially because she's so liked and respected again, she's a big enough threat to others that playing down her odds makes sense from that perspective. Wouldn't take it too seriously, as she's considered a serious threat by most commentators and predictors outside that forum (they didn't like it when Forbes had her as more likely for a nomination than their current favorite to win Glenn Close, with Lady Gaga the only lock for a nomination in that article). It's seriously odd. They act like only being in a nailed Best Picture contender is enough to be nominated or be competitive for the win, which has never been the case for lead actress (ask Amy Adams for Arrival, who got snubbed for a nomination that everyone expected because her movie was a Best Picture contender). I notice that even if the movie has 5 positive reviews, posters on that forum will focus on 1 negative review and act like the film is a complete disaster. Overreaction at it's finest. Nicole has by far the 'baitiest' role of any actress this season imho, because of the transformation element, and the reviews for her performance are there. Actors and the Academy eat that stuff up, and it gives Kidman an edge even in a packed category. Destroyer may be a gritty genre thriller unlikely to compete for Best Picture, but it's reviews are solid enough that Kidman's chances of a nomination are very high, and she's got to be a threat to win as well. The race won't be shaped by fans of other actresses on that forum.
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Post by perro del hortelano on Sept 8, 2018 8:35:01 GMT
Is anyone has the same thought with me? I hate the people on award forum. They just simply hate Nicole Kidman and so underestimate Nicole Kidman for the oscar race. I don't think it's about "hate" on that forum. But so many people there support other actresses in the race, that they are most likely working overtime to play down Kidman as a contender ( for a nomination, never mind a win) because she's a major threat. Especially because she's so liked and respected again, she's a big enough threat to others that playing down her odds makes sense from that perspective. Wouldn't take it too seriously, as she's considered a serious threat by most commentators and predictors outside that forum (they didn't like it when Forbes had her as more likely for a nomination than their current favorite to win Glenn Close, with Lady Gaga the only lock for a nomination in that article). It's seriously odd. They act like only being in a nailed Best Picture contender is enough to be nominated or be competitive for the win, which has never been the case for lead actress (ask Amy Adams for Arrival, who got snubbed for a nomination that everyone expected because her movie was a Best Picture contender). I notice that even if the movie has 5 positive reviews, posters on that forum will focus on 1 negative review and act like the film is a complete disaster. Overreaction at it's finest. Nicole has by far the 'baitiest' role of any actress this season imho, because of the transformation element, and the reviews for her performance are there. Actors and the Academy eat that stuff up, and it gives Kidman an edge even in a packed category. Destroyer may be a gritty genre thriller unlikely to compete for Best Picture, but it's reviews are solid enough that Kidman's chances of a nomination are very high, and she's got to be a threat to win as well. The race won't be shaped by fans of other actresses on that forum. I really wished you were right about Kidman being a major threat, but I think you are being too optimistic. It's true that people and the industry respect her more nowadays, but she is not Cate Blanchett who managed to sneak in with her second portrayal of Elizabeth. The category is very crowed this year and Kidman would need a better reviewed movie to event get nominated.
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Post by deron on Sept 8, 2018 9:06:15 GMT
I don't think it's about "hate" on that forum. But so many people there support other actresses in the race, that they are most likely working overtime to play down Kidman as a contender ( for a nomination, never mind a win) because she's a major threat. Especially because she's so liked and respected again, she's a big enough threat to others that playing down her odds makes sense from that perspective. Wouldn't take it too seriously, as she's considered a serious threat by most commentators and predictors outside that forum (they didn't like it when Forbes had her as more likely for a nomination than their current favorite to win Glenn Close, with Lady Gaga the only lock for a nomination in that article). It's seriously odd. They act like only being in a nailed Best Picture contender is enough to be nominated or be competitive for the win, which has never been the case for lead actress (ask Amy Adams for Arrival, who got snubbed for a nomination that everyone expected because her movie was a Best Picture contender). I notice that even if the movie has 5 positive reviews, posters on that forum will focus on 1 negative review and act like the film is a complete disaster. Overreaction at it's finest. Nicole has by far the 'baitiest' role of any actress this season imho, because of the transformation element, and the reviews for her performance are there. Actors and the Academy eat that stuff up, and it gives Kidman an edge even in a packed category. Destroyer may be a gritty genre thriller unlikely to compete for Best Picture, but it's reviews are solid enough that Kidman's chances of a nomination are very high, and she's got to be a threat to win as well. The race won't be shaped by fans of other actresses on that forum. I really wished you were right about Kidman being a major threat, but I think you are being too optimistic. It's true that people and the industry respect her more nowadays, but she is not Cate Blanchett who managed to sneak in with her second portrayal of Elizabeth. The category is very crowed this year and Kidman would need a better reviewed movie to event get nominated. Destroyer is not Elizabeth: The Golden Age (which got a shockingly bad 35% Rotten Score on Rotten Tomatoes). It's not even Albert Noobs which got a pretty mediocre 56% Rotten Score on Rotten Tomatoes. And that still got Glenn Close an Oscar nomination for a 'transformational' role. Based on the latest round of mostly positive reactions from TIFF, I'll be shocked if Destroyer ends up with a Rotten Score like those movies. I'm guessing it'll end up in the 70% fresh region or above, which while not amazing, is perfectly fine for a Best Actress contender with a role as transformational as Kidman's. Even in a strong year. I'd only be worried if Destroyer were to get a score as bad as Elizabeth: The Golden Age or Albert Noobs, and even then I wouldn"t write off her odds of a nomination completely. You cannot underestimate how much the physical transformation will impress actors who vote. And no one else has it to that extent this year. Remember, Kidman was on the fringes of getting nominated for The Paperboy (with Golden Globe and SAG nominations) which had a pretty poor 44% on Rotten Tomatoes.Kidman has more hype and a stronger vehicle/showcase in Destroyer, and is much more liked and respected than she was around the time of The Paperboy. And again, the transformation. Unless Destroyer ends up with a far lower Rotten Tomatoes score than I'm anticipating, I think she's in a fairly good spot at the moment. Yes it'd be nice and comforting if she was in a stronger Best Picture contender, but otherwise, I think there's room to be optimistic in a realistic sense.I also feel based on the reviews for Kidman's performance, she'll get a lot of passion behind her when it comes to voting. Not to mention she'll have the hype and chatter of potential 'double nominations' because of Boy Erased (a less praised performance by Kidman, but the type of film the Academy could easily embrace, like Lion). That won't hurt her when it comes to her more praised Destroyer performance.
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Post by ladysatine on Sept 8, 2018 11:45:13 GMT
So many great reviews. I'm getting more and more optimistic. Yes it is a very crowded category, but I think she will make it. She needs to work hard, promote it fiercely, just like she did with Lion for example.
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Post by Manwithoutfriends on Sept 8, 2018 11:59:12 GMT
Is anyone has the same thought with me? I hate the people on award forum. They just simply hate Nicole Kidman and so underestimate Nicole Kidman for the oscar race. I don't think it's about "hate" on that forum. But so many people there support other actresses in the race, that they are most likely working overtime to play down Kidman as a contender ( for a nomination, never mind a win) because she's a major threat. Especially because she's so liked and respected again, she's a big enough threat to others that playing down her odds makes sense from that perspective. Wouldn't take it too seriously, as she's considered a serious threat by most commentators and predictors outside that forum (they didn't like it when Forbes had her as more likely for a nomination than their current favorite to win Glenn Close, with Lady Gaga the only lock for a nomination in that article). It's seriously odd. They act like only being in a nailed Best Picture contender is enough to be nominated or be competitive for the win, which has never been the case for lead actress (ask Amy Adams for Arrival, who got snubbed for a nomination that everyone expected because her movie was a Best Picture contender). I notice that even if the movie has 5 positive reviews, posters on that forum will focus on 1 negative review and act like the film is a complete disaster. Overreaction at it's finest. Nicole has by far the 'baitiest' role of any actress this season imho, because of the transformation element, and the reviews for her performance are there. Actors and the Academy eat that stuff up, and it gives Kidman an edge even in a packed category. Destroyer may be a gritty genre thriller unlikely to compete for Best Picture, but it's reviews are solid enough that Kidman's chances of a nomination are very high, and she's got to be a threat to win as well. The race won't be shaped by fans of other actresses on that forum. Let's be clear here: if Nicole won the Oscar over Glenn Close, who has gotten some of the best reviews of her career in what will be a 7th nomination, it would be one of the biggest upsets in Oscar history. Just can't see it happening with this divisive sort of movie. And if it seems like Nicole might win, views on the film will likely become even more muddled, because it's not your typical Oscar prestige film.
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Post by perro del hortelano on Sept 8, 2018 12:36:06 GMT
She is not winning the Oscar. Let's accept it. The nomination alone would be her reward. And she is going to need to campaign a LOT if she wants it. Glenn Close, Lady Gaga (YIKES!), Emma Stone and Melissa McCarthy are already locked for the nod and September has barely started.
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Sept 8, 2018 13:00:42 GMT
One step at a time guys, we know the drill!
Also is it just me or am I the only one excited that Kidman is getting praise in a role that is gritty and action oriented.
Also if Glenn Close gets in then I cannot fathom the academy nor rewarding her. She is beyond overdue in fact they should make a new word for her.
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Post by Missstoker on Sept 8, 2018 13:01:23 GMT
She is not winning the Oscar. Let's accept it. The nomination alone would be her reward. And she is going to need to campaign a LOT if she wants it. Glenn Close, Lady Gaga (YIKES!), Emma Stone and Melissa McCarthy are already locked for the nod and September has barely started. Personally, i don’t think the category it’s so locked. I think only Emma Stone has a sure spot in the catogory. And in any case, Lady Gaga did not receive all these raves, and even she would, her road for the Oscar it will not be so simple
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Post by Naominic on Sept 8, 2018 13:25:47 GMT
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Sept 8, 2018 13:47:52 GMT
It's a shame Justin Chang didn't give it higher but overall it seems ok, could be worse.
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Post by Manwithoutfriends on Sept 8, 2018 14:07:24 GMT
She is not winning the Oscar. Let's accept it. The nomination alone would be her reward. And she is going to need to campaign a LOT if she wants it. Glenn Close, Lady Gaga (YIKES!), Emma Stone and Melissa McCarthy are already locked for the nod and September has barely started. Personally, i don’t think the category it’s so locked. I think only Emma Stone has a sure spot in the catogory. And in any case, Lady Gaga did not receive all these raves, and even she would, her road for the Oscar it will not be so simple Glenn Close is locked. There isn't a chance she isn't being nominated, even if no critics go for her (which I don't think they will). Have you actually read her reviews? Just a few from rotten tomatoes (where the film is 86% fresh from 91 critics): "Close owns this movie, from beginning to end; it's a performance of such intelligence and subtlety that only when the movie is long over do you start wondering about whether the plot holds up." Moira McDonald "This could be — should be — the part that finally wins the six-time Oscar nominee her award." Colin Colbert ""The Wife" offers viewers a chance to observe one of the finest - and most criminally underpraised - actresses of her generation working at the very top of her shrewd, subtle, superbly self-controlled game." Anne Hathaway "Close's opacity as an actress, the unknowability of that glacial face, has often been disguised by her sheer volume and ferocity in so many gorgon roles. Here in Joan's quieter less sinister register, she's spectacular." Nathaniel Rogers "Like a bomb ticking away toward detonation, Glenn Close commands the center of The Wife: still, formidable and impossible to look away from." John Frosch "The story is fine, but the movie features a terrific performance by Jonathan Pryce and a flat-out brilliant one from Glenn Close, who dials up a slow burn for the ages" Bill Goodykoontz "Her entire performance, as artful as anything she's done and less emotionally remote than most, builds up to a final showdown that is nothing short of superb." Tim Appelo "You can't take your eyes off Glenn Close. Her tour-de-force as a long-suffering spouse who hits her breaking point might just get her the Oscar that has unfairly eluded her so far." Peter Travers
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Post by deron on Sept 8, 2018 14:11:58 GMT
While Nicole might not be the one to beat her, I don't buy for one second that Glenn Close is locked for the win. This "she has to win because she's overdue' campaign being whipped up by the media reminds me of the year Peter O'Toole got his 8th Best Actor nomination for Venus. Early on everyone was saying O'Toole was locked to win in a hugely praised performance, as he was such a legend and the actor with the most nominations without a win.
He ended up losing to Forrest Whitaker in The Last King Of Scotland (a less praised movie than Venus, but a more transformational/baity role). That's just how it goes sometimes. If the Academy were willing to let Peter O'Toole go to his grave without a competitive Oscar, then they will not lose any sleep denying Glenn Close, who is a major American actress, but not as big a legend as O'Toole was.
I don't think Closes role is super-baity (despite the great reviews, a disappointed/neglected wife doesn't really scream 'Oscar win lock' for me). And her movie kinda looks like homework.
Close will be nominated, but I can easily see her being O'Toole'd.
Like I said, it might not be Nicole that takes Close down. Could be Gaga or McCarthy. But I'm not buying Close as unbeatable.
Even the praise for Close in her reviews such as 'subtle', 'still' and 'slow burn' can be seen as warning signs when it comes to Oscar voters? How often do subtle and understated performances win lead actress? Winners tend to be more in your face.
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