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Post by brittany on Mar 29, 2018 0:02:37 GMT
Yea agree it's better than starring in a medicore film, but why would she start in a medicore film again, shouldn't she just wait for a big role with in a prestigious collaboration, she has like 5 projects lined up for a release and a Tv show season 2, I don't want Nicole to have like 3 tv shows in a row, she is a movie star. It's not mutually exclusive though, especially nowadays. She can go back and forth between both. I understand that after last year everyone's expectations are sky high, but Nicole will pick some bad projects in the future. It's just the way it is. (Not saying The Undoing will be, as I am optimistic) Even Huppert has been in a lot of terrible films, and even very recently. And just as an aside, I know we all want Nicole to have her Blue Jasmine or Elle moment, but those films, those small-mid budget well made films with a female lead character in her 50s, are extremely rare. I think it does have a good chance of happening for Nicole again at some point, but for her to do high profile tv stuff, and great supporting roles in film in the meantime, I think that's a great way for her to keep putting in solid work and further demonstrating her talent before that film does come around.
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Post by Manwithoutfriends on Mar 29, 2018 9:38:45 GMT
Yea agree it's better than starring in a medicore film, but why would she start in a medicore film again, shouldn't she just wait for a big role with in a prestigious collaboration, she has like 5 projects lined up for a release and a Tv show season 2, I don't want Nicole to have like 3 tv shows in a row, she is a movie star. It's not mutually exclusive though, especially nowadays. She can go back and forth between both. I understand that after last year everyone's expectations are sky high, but Nicole will pick some bad projects in the future. It's just the way it is. (Not saying The Undoing will be, as I am optimistic) Even Huppert has been in a lot of terrible films, and even very recently. And just as an aside, I know we all want Nicole to have her Blue Jasmine or Elle moment, but those films, those small-mid budget well made films with a female lead character in her 50s, are extremely rare. I think it does have a good chance of happening for Nicole again at some point, but for her to do high profile tv stuff, and great supporting roles in film in the meantime, I think that's a great way for her to keep putting in solid work and further demonstrating her talent before that film does come around. Yeah, I agree with you on all counts here. I think some are getting their hopes a little high. I also think that the fact that there are more high profile actresses in their late forties to eaely fifties than ever before works against Nicole, not for her. She's competing with the likes of Winslet, Blanchett, Swinton, Moore and others, whereas in the 90s for example, it was basically a Meryl monopoly, with Lange and Close largely getting the leftovers.
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Mar 29, 2018 11:01:30 GMT
Completely agreed, Brittany, and proof of it is Big Little Lies was her best performance in 2017.
I'd much rather she stay in this medium and give us rich work instead of the railway mans, before I go to sleeps and Grave of Monaco.
Queen of the Desert would have worked much better as a miniseries.
She was nominated for an Oscar for Lion but I've already forgotten the performance.
Also whilst she was exceptional in Koasd and the Beguiled. The performances sort of end up as a tease cause I wanted the films to give her more focus and screen time.
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Post by WizLemon on Mar 29, 2018 11:35:02 GMT
Yea agree it's better than starring in a medicore film, but why would she start in a medicore film again, shouldn't she just wait for a big role with in a prestigious collaboration, she has like 5 projects lined up for a release and a Tv show season 2, I don't want Nicole to have like 3 tv shows in a row, she is a movie star. It's not mutually exclusive though, especially nowadays. She can go back and forth between both. I understand that after last year everyone's expectations are sky high, but Nicole will pick some bad projects in the future. It's just the way it is. (Not saying The Undoing will be, as I am optimistic) Even Huppert has been in a lot of terrible films, and even very recently. And just as an aside, I know we all want Nicole to have her Blue Jasmine or Elle moment, but those films, those small-mid budget well made films with a female lead character in her 50s, are extremely rare. I think it does have a good chance of happening for Nicole again at some point, but for her to do high profile tv stuff, and great supporting roles in film in the meantime, I think that's a great way for her to keep putting in solid work and further demonstrating her talent before that film does come around. So well said!
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Post by triflo on Mar 29, 2018 16:16:22 GMT
It's not mutually exclusive though, especially nowadays. She can go back and forth between both. I understand that after last year everyone's expectations are sky high, but Nicole will pick some bad projects in the future. It's just the way it is. (Not saying The Undoing will be, as I am optimistic) Even Huppert has been in a lot of terrible films, and even very recently. And just as an aside, I know we all want Nicole to have her Blue Jasmine or Elle moment, but those films, those small-mid budget well made films with a female lead character in her 50s, are extremely rare. I think it does have a good chance of happening for Nicole again at some point, but for her to do high profile tv stuff, and great supporting roles in film in the meantime, I think that's a great way for her to keep putting in solid work and further demonstrating her talent before that film does come around. So well said! Maybe well said. It's not about expectations, but Nicole's big talent wasted in questionable projects. Look at Frances MacDormand and Daniel Day-Lewis. They both only appears on screen when they're being offered a really good and meaty role. Plus, in how many, especially recent reviews have You read parts: "Nicole Kidman is not enough on screen" or "Nicole Kidman is wasted". Also, some other user used different actresses like Winslet, Blanchett, Swinton, Moore as group Nicole is destined to compete for roles. I agree and disagree at the same time. Maybe instead of doing tv/supporting roles which is completely fine and occasionaly very succesful, Nicole could develop some interesting projects with directors working mostly in their native countries. She wanted to work with Francois Ozon and Wong Kar-Wai. They could easily write her interesting roles. Asghar Farhadi, Malgoska Szumowska, Paolo Sorrentino. Just come to Europe;)
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Post by brittany on Mar 29, 2018 16:45:16 GMT
Maybe well said. It's not about expectations, but Nicole's big talent wasted in questionable projects. Look at Frances MacDormand and Daniel Day-Lewis. They both only appears on screen when they're being offered a really good and meaty role. Plus, in how many, especially recent reviews have You read parts: "Nicole Kidman is not enough on screen" or "Nicole Kidman is wasted". Also, some other user used different actresses like Winslet, Blanchett, Swinton, Moore as group Nicole is destined to compete for roles. I agree and disagree at the same time. Maybe instead of doing tv/supporting roles which is completely fine and occasionaly very succesful, Nicole could develop some interesting projects with directors working mostly in their native countries. She wanted to work with Francois Ozon and Wong Kar-Wai. They could easily write her interesting roles. Asghar Farhadi, Malgoska Szumowska, Paolo Sorrentino. Just come to Europe;) I completely agree with the Europe part. That's something that Isabelle Huppert does that I admire (Juliette Binoche does this too). I would love for her to do more European films, where there are more roles for women of her age group. But even Frances has been in some meh films. She even did a role in a Transformers sequel! Nobody can go through a career only choosing good projects, because even some that seem good on paper don't turn out well. I honestly think the performances in Lion and TKoaSD are some of my favourites of Nicole's and I am very glad she did them. I'm not in the boat that cares about Aquaman at the moment, but I'll wait and see to judge that. But I really admire James Wan, so I also respect that decision. Films like The Railway Man and Before I Go To Sleep, those are the kind I wish she wouldn't do, but for me, I'd rather see her in something that is mediocre but that S he's good in than have to wait a year or more between projects. DDL is brilliant, but I'd be sad if I had to wait years for a next Nicole film, even if the output was more consistent that way. That's just me. So idk, I take Nicole's career for the roller coaster that it always has been and probably will be, lol.
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Post by Naominic on Mar 29, 2018 18:47:00 GMT
I'd love for Nicole to work with François Ozon, but he hasn't made a film in English in quite a while (actually he's only made one).
She should try to make a movie with Sorrentino, he works in English quite often.
But the one European director I hope she works with is Lynne Ramsay. She has to make it happen.
(I've given up on Almodovar, he's not making films in English)
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Post by Manwithoutfriends on Apr 1, 2018 7:41:34 GMT
Maybe well said. It's not about expectations, but Nicole's big talent wasted in questionable projects. Look at Frances MacDormand and Daniel Day-Lewis. They both only appears on screen when they're being offered a really good and meaty role. Plus, in how many, especially recent reviews have You read parts: "Nicole Kidman is not enough on screen" or "Nicole Kidman is wasted". Also, some other user used different actresses like Winslet, Blanchett, Swinton, Moore as group Nicole is destined to compete for roles. I agree and disagree at the same time. Maybe instead of doing tv/supporting roles which is completely fine and occasionaly very succesful, Nicole could develop some interesting projects with directors working mostly in their native countries. She wanted to work with Francois Ozon and Wong Kar-Wai. They could easily write her interesting roles. Asghar Farhadi, Malgoska Szumowska, Paolo Sorrentino. Just come to Europe;) Day Lewis and McDormand have done plenty of crap over the years. And they suck all of the fun and passion out of acting, for me, so I wouldn't want Nicole to model herself on them.
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Post by nic on Apr 1, 2018 9:08:54 GMT
Maybe well said. It's not about expectations, but Nicole's big talent wasted in questionable projects. Look at Frances MacDormand and Daniel Day-Lewis. They both only appears on screen when they're being offered a really good and meaty role. Plus, in how many, especially recent reviews have You read parts: "Nicole Kidman is not enough on screen" or "Nicole Kidman is wasted". Also, some other user used different actresses like Winslet, Blanchett, Swinton, Moore as group Nicole is destined to compete for roles. I agree and disagree at the same time. Maybe instead of doing tv/supporting roles which is completely fine and occasionaly very succesful, Nicole could develop some interesting projects with directors working mostly in their native countries. She wanted to work with Francois Ozon and Wong Kar-Wai. They could easily write her interesting roles. Asghar Farhadi, Malgoska Szumowska, Paolo Sorrentino. Just come to Europe;) Day Lewis and McDormand have done plenty of crap over the years. And they suck all of the fun and passion out of acting, for me, so I wouldn't want Nicole to model herself on them. Daniel Day Lewis and Francis McDormand ‘suck the fun and passion out of acting’. Wow. This is like saying Meryl Streep is an amateur.
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Apr 1, 2018 19:35:13 GMT
I cant stand DDL. he annoys me, he sucked so badly in "nine" he was terrible in the film. Frances Mcdormand I'm a fan of but in controlled doses. so I can understand when somebody says "they suck the life out of acting", they come of as wallowing in the misery of their acting.
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Post by Manwithoutfriends on Apr 2, 2018 15:11:51 GMT
Day Lewis and McDormand have done plenty of crap over the years. And they suck all of the fun and passion out of acting, for me, so I wouldn't want Nicole to model herself on them. Daniel Day Lewis and Francis McDormand ‘suck the fun and passion out of acting’. Wow. This is like saying Meryl Streep is an amateur. Don't be ridiculous. What I meant by that is that their "method" acting takes itself too seriously and is void of real passion, enjoyment or love of the craft. Trying to be more authentic results just comes across a bit try hard. At least with Streep you can tell she loves what she does.
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Post by nic on Apr 2, 2018 16:13:05 GMT
Daniel Day Lewis and Francis McDormand ‘suck the fun and passion out of acting’. Wow. This is like saying Meryl Streep is an amateur. Don't be ridiculous. What I meant by that is that their "method" acting takes itself too seriously and is void of real passion, enjoyment or love of the craft. Trying to be more authentic results just comes across a bit try hard. At least with Streep you can tell she loves what she does. Riduculous huh? I was merely reacting to a statement that literally reads as ‘three time Oscar winner’s acting lacks passion’. Thanks for elucidating. But I still disagree. I find method acting is some ways more passionate than conventional acting methods, and Nic calls herself ‘half-method’ and I think that shines through. I’ve seen her give interviews fully in character (Birth) and I’ve seen directors yelling cut and her remaining in the monent as the character. Also I think DLL’s acting varies sometimes he’s great (Phantom Thread) and sometimes he’s shyte (Nine) so we can’t really generalise. But some blame can certainly be put on the director.
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Apr 7, 2018 8:48:48 GMT
Ok guys deleted a whole page of unnecessary banter that was leading or has lead to a hostile situation. Please let's just agree to disagree and bring the topic back to " the undoing ".
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Post by Naominic on Jun 14, 2018 17:41:13 GMT
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Post by curdey on Jun 15, 2018 21:01:19 GMT
good choice. 2018 is not a good year for Kevin Hart, the film can wait. I think you might be thinking of 'The Upside' . 'The Undoing' is the thriller-drama based on the book 'You Should Have Known'.
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