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Post by HaurvatatL on Mar 17, 2018 17:43:45 GMT
compare the choices they've made, it's quite obvious.
I think the point is Nic knows what is Cinema. lots of her work are very important in filmology and film historiography.
Cate Blanchett, I remember when I saw Elizabeth 20 years ago, it was like "how breathetakingly good her acting talent is"
but 20 years later, she just fell into a "another boring Academism labor". non of her leading work are worth remembering.
Lord of the Ring is definitely in film history, but not her magnum opus. for me, she's a wonderful actress, and that's all.
the critical difference is our girl is a wonderful actress and a great film star. (I don't mean "movie star", cuz they both are)
Eyes Wide Shut, Moulin Rouge!, Dogville, other actresses can beg for even one of them. dozen of film award trophy wont't help.
now there's plenty of time for Nic to catch up as a "typical Academism labor".
but 10 more leading role Hobbits or Marvel can't make Blanchett a film star. (sure, they built her enough "movie star" power)
the only thing film-star-ish is she played Katharine Hepburn and won an Oscar. (maybe that Bob Dylan cross dress counts too?)
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Mar 18, 2018 7:27:43 GMT
Blanchett has always had the critics and industry on her side.
Nicole on the other hand recently as 2017 had a major consensus change from a contingent of critics who never gave her the time of day in the past.
Basically I believe in terms of industry stature and respect Blanchett is still ahead but Nicole has made some headway as of late, however, there is still some distance between them.
But personally I find Kidman in a league of her own!
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Post by nic on Mar 18, 2018 13:43:01 GMT
Blanchett has always had the critics and industry on her side. Nicole on the other hand recently as 2017 had a major consensus change from a contingent of critics who never gave her the time of day in the past. Basically I believe in terms of industry stature and respect Blanchett is still ahead but Nicole has made some headway as of late, however, there is still some distance between them. But personally I find Kidman in a league of her own! Pitting actresses against each other like horses is just the worst. They’re both stars and valued. Do we really need one to be more valued than the other?
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Mar 18, 2018 15:34:24 GMT
Blanchett has always had the critics and industry on her side. Nicole on the other hand recently as 2017 had a major consensus change from a contingent of critics who never gave her the time of day in the past. Basically I believe in terms of industry stature and respect Blanchett is still ahead but Nicole has made some headway as of late, however, there is still some distance between them. But personally I find Kidman in a league of her own! Pitting actresses against each other like horses is just the worst. They’re both stars and valued. Do we really need one to be more valued than the other? I can't help it with these two I Always get dragged into a mess.
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Post by nic on Mar 18, 2018 17:01:13 GMT
Pitting actresses against each other like horses is just the worst. They’re both stars and valued. Do we really need one to be more valued than the other? I can't help it with these two I Always get dragged into a mess. Don’t be, you’re above it.
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Post by deron on Mar 18, 2018 17:22:28 GMT
Eh...asking people to stop comparing/contrasting similar individuals in the same sphere/bracket//career is almost ridiculous to me. It's almost like asking people to stop breathing. It goes against instinctual human nature.
If two people do the very same thing to the highest level (and maybe operate in the same era), it's human nature to have a preference or maybe debate who is better. Whether it's sport, entertainment, music or whatever, these things exist, because it's in our nature to debate one or the other.
Prince or Michael Jackson
Lebron or Michael Jordan
Pacino or DeNiro
Federer or Nadal
Ronaldo or Messi
Katherine Hepburn or Bette Davis
Audrey Hepburn or Grace Kelly
And many many more. It's a time honored tradition. If Kidman or Blanchett is part of that tradition, it's not neccesarily a bad thing. It speaks something of both their worth in the cultural conversation.
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Post by Poison_Regal on Mar 18, 2018 17:57:55 GMT
I think it's fine to have a healthy discussion about actresses being compared to each other, as long as it doesn't get hateful. Too many people because their favourite hasn't got the same amount of Oscar nominations or latest film didn't make as much as the others became very resentful. Constructive is the way to go, not hateful or being a resentful fan.
When i don't care for an actress or artist, i don't pay attention to them unless i have to. When i say i have to, i mean if i am going to criticize their work, i like to be aware of the facts.
Anyway that's just how i see it. It's up to others how they choose to behave.
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Post by nic on Mar 18, 2018 18:34:08 GMT
Eh...asking people to stop comparing/contrasting similar individuals in the same sphere/bracket//career is almost ridiculous to me. It's almost like asking people to stop breathing. It goes against instinctual human nature. If two people do the very same thing to the highest level (and maybe operate in the same era), it's human nature to have a preference or maybe debate who is better. Whether it's sport, entertainment, music or whatever, these things exist, because it's in our nature to debate one or the other. Prince or Michael Jackson Lebron or Michael Jordan Pacino or DeNiro Federer or Nadal Ronaldo or Messi Katherine Hepburn or Bette Davis Audrey Hepburn or Grace Kelly And many many more. It's a time honored tradition. If Kidman or Blanchett is part of that tradition, it's not neccesarily a bad thing. It speaks something of both their worth in the cultural conversation. With Federer and Nadal you can measure results. With actresses it’s highly subjective, almost just a matter of personal taste. Kidman could’ve shot TLOTR and Blanchett could’ve shot Dogville. But since we don’t have the two roles played by both actors we can’t really engage in a metaphorical horse race. More importantly, if you’ve ever heard a word that ever came out of either Kidman’s or Blanchett’s mouth you’d know that both of them would role their eyes at this conversation. Sorry but it’s true. It’s just the classic, childish case of pitting heros against each other. But hey if we really haven’t got anything more valuable to discuss, proceed. Although we all know who’s the winner on this board, everyone always says NK is better so what could possibly be the point lol
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Post by deron on Mar 18, 2018 20:07:05 GMT
Well, people discuss the state of of Nicole's face all all the time, which if I think about it too deeply is silly and ridiculous and sort of rude (as I'm sure she might find it), but it is what it is. You'd never do that in polite conversation about anybody, but because she's famous and we talk about her, screw it. I'm pretty sure Kidman herself would find a conversation about her and Blanchett's relative worths as artists less offensive and more worthwhile than discussing if she may have had fillers in her face in the last month. And even Nicole ranks actresses in tiers of greatness, even if she's too polite to actually say so outright publically. But when she was namechecking all the greats and legends in her SAG speech/press conference), there was an implicit suggestion that these were mainly the actresses she considered "greater" than the rest, through her lens. So I can totally imagine her having these conversations about which actor or artist she finds better, in more private company. Actors talk about that kind of thing all the time. Maybe just not for public consumption, but definitly among each other. You can't police what people want to chatter about, especially if it's not too hateful. I find talking about Nicole in relation to other actresses infinitely more stimulating and intelligent than discussing whether she may or may not have had a shot of botox this week or not, but it's all about what you find preferable (you may find botox chat more stimulating, for example). If I'm not into a particular conversation, I just prefer to leave others to have at it nowadays, instead of wagging the ol' finger of disapproval. It achieves nothing, and people are going to keep talking about it anyway, if they want to.
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Post by Mr Dedlock on Mar 18, 2018 21:02:03 GMT
Ok back to Destroyer, all this western talk has got me thinking, what if Destroyer ends up as Kidman's "Logan".
I mean I'd be over the moon!
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Post by nic on Mar 19, 2018 3:15:02 GMT
Well, people discuss the state of of Nicole's face all all the time, which if I think about it too deeply is silly and ridiculous and sort of rude (as I'm sure she might find it), but it is what it is. You'd never do that in polite conversation about anybody, but because she's famous and we talk about her, screw it. I'm pretty sure Kidman herself would find a conversation about her and Blanchett's relative worths as artists less offensive and more worthwhile than discussing if she may have had fillers in her face in the last month. And even Nicole ranks actresses in tiers of greatness, even if she's too polite to actually say so outright publically. But when she was namechecking all the greats and legends in her SAG speech/press conference), there was an implicit suggestion that these were mainly the actresses she considered "greater" than the rest, through her lens. So I can totally imagine her having these conversations about which actor or artist she finds better, in more private company. Actors talk about that kind of thing all the time. Maybe just not for public consumption, but definitly among each other. You can't police what people want to chatter about, especially if it's not too hateful. I find talking about Nicole in relation to other actresses infinitely more stimulating and intelligent than discussing whether she may or may not have had a shot of botox this week or not, but it's all about what you find preferable (you may find botox chat more stimulating, for example). If I'm not into a particular conversation, I just prefer to leave others to have at it nowadays, instead of wagging the ol' finger of disapproval. It achieves nothing, and people are going to keep talking about it anyway, if they want to. Actually I was being feminist with my statements. Because I felt what you were doing was antifeminist, especially since Kidman and Blanchett are friends in real life. But of course you’ll talk about whatever you want. It’s obvious you spend a lot of time thinking about celebrities. And like you said - whatever rocks one boat. But I do hsve the right to voice when sth making me uncomfortable. So let’s just leave it at that.
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Post by deron on Mar 19, 2018 6:51:57 GMT
Errr....I hope we are not going back to that pointless antagonism our relationship, because I'm not here for that. We can always go back to ignoring each others posts again if you like, which was working perfectly fine for me, because you are the one who started speaking to me again first (and I decided to be mature and put the past in the past). But I don't have time for people's bullshit. Especially when I sucessfully cut it out of my life once before. Maybe I made a mistake and let you feel too comfortable again or you think i've gone soft. And don't concern yourself with what I'm thinking about or not. I think your antifeminist "take" is a load of utter nonsense, manufactured outrage, and hypocritical to boot, as you probably the last person here I'd describe as a feminist ( particularly with the amount of time I see you commenting or analysing Nicoles appearence, often in a negative way. That ain't feminism, boo. But yay for feminism when it attacks womens looks.LOL!). Getting a lecture on feminism from you is akin to getting one from Donald Trump. It's very much the wrong messenger. You complain a lot. It's your schtick, and everyone has gotten used to it (even me). And you are used to people tip-toeing around you because of it. But it can be fucking exhausting. Interesting you single me out as well, as I'm not even the one who started the Blanchett conversation. Must be a lot of antifeminists here.
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Post by paperboy88 on Mar 19, 2018 7:18:34 GMT
Ok back to Destroyer, all this western talk has got me thinking, what if Destroyer ends up as Kidman's "Logan". I mean I'd be over the moon! I'll be over the moon if the film is well received critically, turns in a decent box office and Kidman gets some awards. This is her sole leading film since queen of the desert and strangerland. I really hope it turns out good.
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Post by nic on Mar 19, 2018 9:42:53 GMT
Errr....I hope we are not going back to that pointless antagonism our relationship, because I'm not here for that. We can always go back to ignoring each others posts again if you like, which was working perfectly fine for me, because you are the one who started speaking to me again first (and I decided to be mature and put the past in the past). But I don't have time for people's bullshit. Especially when I sucessfully cut it out of my life once before. Maybe I made a mistake and let you feel too comfortable again or you think i've gone soft. And don't concern yourself with what I'm thinking about or not. I think your antifeminist "take" is a load of utter nonsense, manufactured outrage, and hypocritical to boot, as you probably the last person here I'd describe as a feminist ( particularly with the amount of time I see you commenting or analysing Nicoles appearence, often in a negative way. That ain't feminism, boo. But yay for feminism when it attacks womens looks.LOL!). Getting a lecture on feminism from you is akin to getting one from Donald Trump. It's very much the wrong messenger. You complain a lot. It's your schtick, and everyone has gotten used to it (even me). And you are used to people tip-toeing around you because of it. But it can be fucking exhausting. Interesting you single me out as well, as I'm not even the one who started the Blanchett conversation. Must be a lot of antifeminists here. Only glanced at your msg and saw it’s your standard, bitter sitting-by-the-computer-waiting-to-lash-out-at-a-user-or-celebrity-which-ever-comes-first rethorics. I’m really not getting sucked into it again, sorry. And believe whatever you damn want - nobody cares.
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Post by deron on Mar 19, 2018 9:49:41 GMT
Hmm...people actually liked my post. So I'm sure some posters care and/or agree with my sentiments. You are incredibly exhausting. Worst thing is that you don't even have the self-awareness to recognise it and make an effort to change.
I'd go back to the ignoring each other routine if I was you. I don't want to go in on you, otherwise your feelings might get hurt and you'll go on a month long vacation again
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